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The teaching of Joshi Bachi about the cradles The teaching of Joshi Bachi about the cradles
by Murray Hunter
2013-03-15 11:48:20
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Josi Bachi (Józsi Bácsi in Hungarian spelling) was my teacher in 1989 - 1990 who introduced me the “Cradle” concept in  Hungary around Tordas a small village of Transdanubia.

I sought out Joshi Bachi for his knowledge of herbs since I wanted to introduce a whole line of very high quality herb products sold in special airtight glass containers and collected from the cleanest and best places in Hungary which is a country blessed with  a vast array of herbs growing in the wild.

First we went to the Vértes mountain, a very old calcit mountain, weathered flat by the million years it emerged from the seabed.  The Vértes mountain had alluvial fields and a flora which was extremely varied and unique. There were small crevices, high fields, valleys, slopes and dry, lat terrains with their own particular flora and animal population, soil and microclimate as Joshi Bachi explained to me while wondering through the mountain. He said there are many small Cradles in the  Vertes mountains, which is a specialare.Joshi Bachi dis not like roads, he preferred tom follow tha paths broken into the grass bxy wild boar and red deer, and to follow the mountain streams. He did this because he was constantly on the look out checking the trees the grass, the bushes, the flowers and animals, the surface  and the soil. After about a five hour trek we came to a small hut built of branches, leafs and some cardboard, where a hermit lived, a friend of Joshi Bachi. The hermit was laughing all the time, he was exuberant and very kind. He was at least seventy years old but we could hardly keep pace with him when he took us around.  He was literally running up and down the terrain without road or any path. He seemingly knew the forest in and out. The purpose of the fast walk was to show his “garden” where he collected his food. As he admitted he has not been in the village store in the last twenty years. He showed ferns, mushrooms, leaves, roots and even barks he lives on. He was a vegetarian, or rather he was not interested in meat. But honey did interest him and he had his own wild bee  hives where he got his honey supply. Upon returning to the hut he showed us his invention, cooking by slow fermentation instead of fire. He “cooked” ferns and wild roots with this technique and he claimed that his virility, exuberant happiness and perfect health was the result of this special fermented wild vegetable diet.

Joshi Bachi  and the hermit had a happy discussion after which we returned to Tordas, a small village where Joshi Bachi lived. He had to attend a meeting about drilling a well in a garden. He was invited to point out the place where the well can be drilled.  What I saw then was not explainable to in any way.

First Joshi Bachi walked around the garden with a copper wand and drew a wavy line saying that an underground stream flows there. Then ho crossed the garden a few times and he proclaimed that there is a poisonous white layer underneath the soil of the garden and he also showed the areas of its distribution. He said the white layer is about 50 cm  from the surface, comprising 20-30 cm deep layer in the soil and it is composed of washing powder and other chemical remnants accumulated during the decades when waste water was simply poured on the ground and seeped into the soil. Then due to the capillary nature of soil it expanded into many direction.

He ordered the people to dig out the white layer. He showed its line across the garden. The men started to shovel and indeed in about 50 cm deep they found the white layers following exactly the line shown by Joshi Bachi. The white layer was indeed about 20-30 cm thick.

Then Joshi Bachi proceeded to define the place of the well to be drilled. He found a clean place and he told the people how deep they have to drill to get the water .

The next day teaching started. Joshi Bachi took me to the woods and fields around Tordas village and stared to explain where we are.

He used the word “Bölcső” = Cradle for a certain area of land, soil, micro climat, vegetation and animals. He claimed the whole Earth is made up of Cradles which are connected but have a self sufficient, self sustaining  independent life. Cradles have their own land, soil vegetation, fauna and micro climate. Cradles also have human life forms suited to them, and human life forms result in a certain type of life style, mentality. moral, religion, institutions and customs. I nshort Joshi Bachi maintained that the Cradles completely define all life forms in them.

My note here: The Cradles can be best imaged in a metaphoric image used by Scythian art and Plato’s Timeous.  The Cradle is a live Animal, which has many other animals within. We have to add that Joshi Bachi’s Cradle had not only animals but plants and human beings in it too. According to Joshi Bachi cradles have a 50 km diameter on the average.But there ae much bigger and smaller Cradles too.

The entire Earth can be imagined as aseries f hundreds of thousands of Cradles covering the surface of planes, mountains,lakes, rivers and even that of the seas.

Joshi Bachi showed me the Cradle of Tordas village. According to him theold village was built on a perfect spotz to benefoit the flora, water and microclimate of the Cradle which embraced Tordas village. Tordas was settled into one single Craddle and the borderline of the village land exactly followed the line of the Cradle.

Then we wondered around the woods and meadows, little streams and lakes and I was told about trees, bushes, plants which have special relationship, they coexist and cannot live without each other. If one disappears the others die out too. Animals also depend on them and on each other.  Their life is only maintainable if other animals and plants are around them. Modern agriculture knows nothing about the intricate dependencies of life within the Cradle. Certain trees were cut out and with them other trees, herbs, grasses and animals disappeared.

Our goal was to find certain rare herbs, some of which were very difficult to spot.  We  always found them by detecting their dependent plants, trees and bushes because we knew they life together.


The Earth is subdivided into smaller self sustaining,  self sufficient Cradles. The Cradles are self sustaining but at the same time their existence depends on each nother.

The Cradles have their own geological formation, soil,   micro climate, plants, animals. They also have their humans, life forms which are suited to the Cradle.

All life forms in the Cradle support each other. They form one “team” to maintain the healthy life of the Cradle. By destroying any of them the others will suffer or disappear altogether.

Trees, plants and bushes have their pairs and close “Families” in the Cradle which form a life community, living in the same area, protecting and nurturing each other. If human interference destroys but one member of a Cradle family, the whole Family may disappear, or “Invaders “ may take over the territory of the Family.

The Cradle collapses if the Families are weakened or disappear from The Cradle. Invader plants do not maintain the complex interdependent life web of the Cradle, and biological diversity disappears.

Human life can be an improvement of the Cradle or it can destroy the Cradle.  Living and maintaining a Cradle have special benefits to human beings. These are the great diversity of edible plants, herbs and fruits, fish and animals, the stability of the environment and its biological diversity, the solid base of wild plant and animal life on which the life of domesticated plants, fruits, vegetables and animals depend , the renewal of the fertility of the soil, the maintenance of beneficial micro climate.

All these result in a stable and rich human culture which can live together and enhance nature at places without destroying or irrevocably altering it.

For hundreds of thousand s of years human groups maintained and perfected the Cradles of earth creating very stable, ecological and diverse environment and cultures. Which were perfectly adopted to their Cradles.

Even today there are still some tribal societies left here and there which live in their Cradles and maintain them in perfect condition for future generations. Their whole culture is geared towards this task.

But about 7000 years ago the destruction of Cradles of the Earth started by human societies which were stratified into rich and poor, ruling and underprivileged classes. These societies engaged in agriculture and hunting was prohibited but for the rulers. The diet of the people radically changed and so their health. Early agriculturist lived shorter, were smaller and weaker than that of the hunter ancestors. They also became prone to famine and many contagious disease spread due to the dense population.

Some communities fared better. They developed a mixed economy in which agriculture played only a limited role besides animal husbandry, hunting, wild produce gathering, vegetable gardening, fruit gardening and fishing in both natural waters an artificial lakes.

Up until 200 years ago , the start of industrialization hundreds of thousand Cradles were destroyed, mostly in the territory of highly developed states like the Roman  Empire which is responsible for the deforestation of the entire Mediterranean. But Cradles were maintained in many parts of the world in the Carphatian Basin in Central and Inner Asia, in South East Asia, India and others.

Industrialization of the past 200 years made an unprecedented destruction of Cradles. Mining, logging, roadbuilding, city buildingbwas carried out without any consideration of the delicated web of life sustaining Cradles. Huge dams, powerplants, factories were built on the place of Cradles, and industrialized agriczóulture leveled the earth creating moin oculture in place of biologically diverse Cradles. This was all seen as the “Conquest of Nature” the Development of Mankind, Science and Technology”. Indeed technology existed to destroy the Cradles but non technology exists to recreate them. For a while this was not even a question.

In our days industrialization has expanded over the entire globe and with it the destruction of Cradles and human communities which lived in the Cradles it starts to endanger the very base of life on earth.  There is a dramatic loss of biological diversity , tribes, languages, cultures, accumulated native knowledge around the globe which is the consequence of the destruction of their living spaces the Cradles.

New highways cut across Cradles. Cities obliterate Cradles which developed through hundreds of thousands of years, their Plant Animal and Human Families are lost forever and with it human knowledge accumulated during tens of  thousands of years is lost too.

Plans are drafted for mega cities occ upying the entire surface of the earth reaching into the depth of oceans or moving onto satellites orbiting above earth. But our own backyards are never cared for, they are ridden with pollution neglect and lack of knowledge to care for them.

The earth is colonized by giant multinationals who consider the earth, the plants and humans as resource for their profitmaking. The destruction of the Cradles entered the final phase.

Return to the Cradles:

Why would anybody return to the Cradles as a way of planning life for humans on earth? Cradles have been destroyed and obliterated from the surface of the earth. Few remained intact and even fewer have human communities fitting their life style  into the Cradle. Signs of disharmony and distractions are all over.

Yet we have no other choice. Current designs of urbanization, infrastructure, agriculture and nature preservation are totally derailed by the fact that they do not know and do not consider the Cradles. Cityscapes were designed with highways, malls, tall buildings and power plants without any consideration of the Cradles of the area they are built on. Real estate speculation, the desire for profit and government regulations have been the major factors.

Basically in the past 200 years everything was built for profit and nothing was built for the people.

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Leah Sellers2013-03-15 15:01:04
Thank you ,sir. I found this article fascinating and steeped within some essential "deep Knowing" Truths.

One should never "poop" in one's own Cradle.

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