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The real intolerance in Finland The real intolerance in Finland
by Edward Dutton
Issue 16
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Foreigners living in Finland are a disparate bunch, many of whom get by in English. They are here for a variety of reasons, frequently because they’ve ended-up marrying a Finn. It can be very difficult being a foreigner in Finland especially as, if many of it’s tiny number of English language news sites and magazines are to be believed, Finns really don’t want foreigners in their country at all.

A June 2006 and article in an Oulu (Northern Finland) English-language web-newspaper 65 Degrees North, exemplifies the way that articles in some of Finland’s English-language media seem to portray Finns. Nigel Watson’s article on why he left Oulu - ‘Good Bye Oulu’ - painted Oulu (and by implication the whole country) as a collection of unfriendly, intolerant racists.

Mr. Watson’s main reason for leaving Oulu is that he felt ‘not accepted, let alone welcome’ and that there is a general Finnish attitude that you should adopt a Finnish way of life or leave. In my experience, the people of Oulu bend over backwards to accommodate me as an Englishman. ‘Oululaiset’ are more than happy to speak in English, which is hardly a sign of not welcoming foreigners. In fact, younger Oululaiset tend to be so enthusiastic about speaking in English that I’ve basically stopped trying to practice my Finnish.

When I have had to use it, with elderly Finns, they have been perfectly amiable and have slowed right down. My elderly Finnish neighbour always chats to me. I’ve no idea what he’s saying half the time but if he is saying, ‘Go back to your own country! You people make me sick!’ he’s saying it in an extraordinarily friendly way, frequently with offers of coffee. I was once told (in English by a young man) to ‘Go home! This is not your country!’ This was in a branch of Alko in Kokkola (a tiny country town) while a friend and I were speaking in English. Every Finn to whom I have relayed this incident has been amazed and slightly angered that a fellow Finn would behave in such a way.

Of course, like Mr Watson, I am English. I do not stand out as a foreigner and perhaps my experience of Oulu would be less pleasant if I did. But even so, I think that the city has to be given a chance. Until about fifteen years ago, almost everyone that lived in Oulu was Finnish. This, together with unemployment amongst Oulu people, is bound to lead to resentment towards those who are conspicuously foreign. But to be fair to Oulu residents, they are not rioting or electing large numbers of openly anti-immigrant politicians onto Oulu City Council. This is precisely what happened in cities in Britain and France a similar period after immigration began there.

The real intolerance in Finland is not racism. Even academic experts on Finland’s ‘far right’ such as Prof Kyösti Pekonen admit that racist violence, for example, is exaggerated by the media and is, in fact, pretty rare in Finland by European standards. The real intolerance in Finland is found amongst those who hold a particular ideology – that a multicultural society with lots of people from all around the world is a wonderful thing – but who think that anyone who does not agree with them is evil . . . or, in their language, a ‘Nazi’ a ‘Fascist’ or a ‘Racist.’

These terms relate to such strong taboos that they basically mean ‘evil’ or ‘heretic.’ Nigel Watson heavily implies in his 65 Degrees North article that the idea that foreigners should integrate into Finnish society is racist. Oulu City Council should hire people not on merit but because they are foreign and if they do not then I guess that they are probably racist as well.

Similar articles to Mr Watson’s are published in SixDegrees, which claims to be ‘Finland’s only English Language Magazine,’ except here they are far more common. If you are a foreigner in Finland it is difficult not to have come across SixDegrees. It is highly political, packed with articles which imply that Finns are ‘racist’ because they are not sufficiently enthusiastic about a multicultural Finland.

To provide just a few examples, the April 2005 issue carried an article entitled ‘Racism in Layers,’ which pontificated about Finnish racism, especially in schools. The November 2005 issue carried an article entitled ‘Racist Pack Design,’ criticising apparently racist packaging of chocolate in Finland. The essence of the article was: the packets are racist and should be banned. If you don’t care, you’re probably a little bit racist. In other words, you are with us, or against us. Multiculturalist or Racist.

Good or Evil. The only intolerance I have ever experienced in Finland is when I wrote an objective article about what random Oulu people thought of the Prophet Mohammed cartoon furore for 65 Degrees North. I was accused, by one Oulu reader, of being ‘racist’ and ‘Nazi’ just for pointing out that some people – not even necessarily myself! – disagreed with his or her views. That is intolerance, fanatical intolerance, which is far more worrying than some idiot telling me to ‘Go home!’

Indeed, SixDegrees has been heavily criticised amongst Finnish nationalists. One discussion forum contributor claimed that: "SixDegrees has a constant theme that it’s always hammering home: Finns are ignorant, stupid, ugly, evil and racist, and the only way they can ever be accepted by the rest of the world is to open the borders for everyone to come here (although, of course, Finland is such an awful country and the Finns are such racist bigots that no-one would want to come here anyway, which is why we must welcome the thousands or hundreds of thousands clamouring to come here)." (Stormfront, a White nationalist discussion forum).

Other Finns on the forum chorused agreement. And it is this kind of attention that is worrying. The problem with many of the articles in SixDegrees and Nigel Watson’s article in 65 Degrees North is not just that they reflect what is basically an extremely intolerant form of an ideology. They distort the way that Finns see foreigners and foreigners see Finns. For a foreigner reading SixDegrees, Finns are racists (albeit not too openly) and they don’t really want you in Finland.

For the Finn reading the same newspaper, foreigners are basically extremely ungrateful and are laughing at them because many of the contributors or interviewees are foreign. They have come to Finland and are now complaining that the Finns aren’t nice enough to them. In reality, neither is generally the case. So the magazine’s slant is bad for race relations. It helps to separate the foreigner from the Finn. It is THIS intolerance, and not racism itself, that may indirectly lead to racial problems in Finland in future.

Finland, in my experience, is basically a welcoming and friendly country. There is probably some racism, but far less than in some countries in Europe. The creeping intolerance in Finland is not racism. It is the view that if you don’t rigorously promote a certain ideology then you need to be publicly attacked and ostracised or even worse. It is the same intolerance that led, for example, to Prof. Tatu Vanhanen (the Finnish Prime Minister’s father) being ‘investigated’ (basically intimidated into shutting up, because he was never prosecuted) for publishing an academic book on IQ and race and reporting his findings to the Finnish newspapers.

It is the same intolerance that led to the Finnish website Suomen Sisu being ‘investigated’ (and again not prosecuted) for publishing the Mohammed cartoons. Like any ideology taken to extremes, the multiculturalism of SixDegrees reflects intolerance of dissenting opinion....intolerance that could have some very nasty consequences in Finland in the future.


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Eleftheria Pappa2008-02-20 13:23:40
I read your article with great interest. A friend of mine recently moved to Oulu. She holds a joint Swedish/French nationality and the only reason she decided to move there was because she followed her fiance. She is highly qualified with studies in France and Britain and yet she is told she will not find a job, unless she is willing to wait for a year to work as a cleaner.She cannot have a bank account or even health insurance as is not employed. I was frankly utterly surprised to hear all this,and myself coming from a southern European country which has a reputation for being xenophobic, I was struck by such attitudes that I would never find at home. I would be very grateful for any comments/sugegstions.


Asa2008-02-21 09:31:15
Eleftheria, you might want to try asking the same question at www.iesaf.fi on the forum. Somebody there may be able to suggest something to help.


lostinlovewithoulu2008-06-11 12:07:48
It is a fact that physical and voilent racism is practically non-existent in OULU as well as other parts of Finland.
It is rather a mental game. Firstly, if you are a foreigner you skin color does play a deciding role to the amount of racism you would encounter in you daily life.

Again, I don't call it racism I call it jealousy and hate.

The idea goes like this if you have a dark complexion. People will not even sit beside you in a bus. I rather see it as a chance to enjoy the ride alone.

Again, being a man or a woman also plays a important role. I think the man faces more of this small and insignificant curses than women. I may be wrong. Do correct me if I am.

But, I also have to mention that Finnish people are very intelligent if they understand that, they require you they can be your best friends at times.

Getting a job is very difficult even for a Finnish person nowadays. So, if you are a ordinary foreigner you always will get the last preference or as I put it stay unemployed.

Even if you get work, you have to be atleast few times better than a Finn to be considered for the job.



Mr Sargeson2008-09-11 11:31:29
Been in oulu for 4months, and as the old saying goes, it not what you know its who you know! I belive oulu is the birth place of that saying. Mr N Watson is just a cry baby, Since i have been here i have made friends i will keep for life, love this place. Harden up Watson!!
I have a bank account, got on a finnish course, play football and rugby in oulu and have many job offers, as do my friends from New Zealand, South Africa and England. And once i started talking to people i found that some were interested in speaking english and some werent, its the same everywhere. Also if people were to come to Australia i would want to live the aussie way and not the way they lived ín there home country, that includes leraning the lingo.


Finne2009-02-17 21:28:06
I liked this article,


TJ2009-02-19 14:43:22
Eleftheria,

It's who you are and how you organize your life, not who the people around you are. Not getting a bank account or health insurance is simply not true. I wonder how that is possible. I have foreign citizenship an no probs!


Finn2009-06-10 11:41:35
I love you Edward for writing this article!! :)


Anon2009-07-11 23:37:58
lostinlovewithoulu, no one in Finland wants to sit next to anyone on a bus, and, by the way, no one wants to talk to anyone on the street either, if you thought that was racism as well.

If the seats are filling up, grannies will try to sit next to grannies, schoolchildren next to other children, etc. In fact, very often people will stand even if there are seats left, because private space is more important.

What do you expect will happen in such an environment to an obvious foreigner, who no one expects to have anything in common with? They don't hate you, they just want to be left alone.

It's people like you who come here and expect us to treat you differently because you're a foreigner who cause the problems. How about you immigrants try to understand our culture for a change? I guess I'm racist too for saying something like this?

And no, you're not going to get work unless you're much better than a native, because you don't speak the local language properly, and have that huge negative value to overcome. Businesses aren't a charity. Try applying to large international companies where the office language is English anyway.

Just for fun, you should also try applying for non-international jobs in the US with a Finnish Master's degree. They're going to look at your application for one second, notice your school isn't accredited in the US, and stop reading. That's not racism either, if you were wondering.


Mike2009-09-18 19:52:02
The opposite of multi-cultural _IS_ uni-cultural: a single culture to which all must belong or be expelled. The difference between that and racism or nazism is minuscule at best. They are only specific approaches towards uniculturalism.


Dave2009-09-24 15:07:44
As an Englishman Finland has to be one of the easiest countries in the world to live and get by. Most information web sites are in English and Swedish. You can speak to the authorities, tax people, banks etc.. in English. Where English isn't the native language there can't be many other countries in the world like this, just the other Nordic countries perhaps.


Mike from Canada2009-10-12 16:22:51
I would like to offer a different point of view. I have lived in Helsinki for a few years (I have a Finnish wife). Compared with other Western countries, I have found Finns to be a bit more xenophobic. Contrary to what Mr. Dutton says, I don't think Finns are so open to foreigners and foreign ideas -- at least when compared to other Western nations. I am "white" and I speak Finnish, and in general I don't have too many problems. I have lots of Finnish friends and they treat me well. However, I have experienced some anti-immigrant tension, and I have also seen several scary racial incidents on the streets, one involving a few Finns attacking a black man (it was not even reported). Most darker skinned people in Finland experience these things, but they will not say anything for fear of reprisal. Trust me on this. Another big problem for foreigners is that Finns will not hire you (except as a cleaner). Even if you have an advanced degree from a well-known institution, they will always hire a Finn first. Contrast this to American or even Swedish or Norweigian institutions, all of which have a wealth of foreign talent (there is quite a bit of nepotism in Finland). In sum, if you are white and don't mind a cleaning job, Finland is not a bad place to be. However, if you are not white or if you desire a profession other than cleaning, I would recommend another country. I don't want to sound too harsh; I do like Finland -- and my wife and kids are Finnish. But I think Mr. Dutton has only given half the picture -- and the other half is that Finns need to rethink their attitudes toward outsiders and outside ideas. Otherwise Finland will continue to experience brain drain and gather a negative reputation around the world.



Henk2009-10-16 12:10:59
"She is highly qualified....and yet she is told she will not find a job, unless she is willing to wait for a year to work as a cleaner.She cannot have a bank account or even health insurance as is not employed."

I think getting a bank account or insurance is not difficult for an EU citizen, you just have to register yourself in the local magistrate. I have plenty of experience in helping foreigners in these matters and can´t figure out this story at all.


The problem with employment concerns also the educated young natives, altough requiring the knowledge of finnish language makes it extremely hard for foreigners.



Nieminen2009-10-16 14:41:52
This was a well-thought out of arguement and closelly parallels mine. Well done.


M2009-10-16 19:14:39
Mr Dutton, I think discussions about racism are very important to the functioning and well-being of any society, so I thank you for allowing me to present my viewpoint. You begin your article by suggesting that there is a prevailing narrative among journalists that wrongly criticizes Finns because it is said that, ‘Finns don’t want foreigners in Finland.’ You suggest that these writers are ultimately ‘intolerant multiculturalists,’ and you do so by drawing out a surface-level paradox: that the multiculturalists, or those who advocate tolerance of foreigners, are really intolerant because for some reason they do not tolerate racism. That strikes me as a rather bizarre argument. What you have done is conflate “free speech” issues with those relating to “tolerance.” You do so by pointing to the investigations of Tatu Vanhanen and Sisu Suomen as evidence that the multiculturalists have been intolerant. There is problem with this approach. Finland has been in fact racking up a rather dismal free speech record in the EU, and the issues involved vary greatly. In other words, the investigation of Vanhanen and Sisu Suomen have little to do with alleged multiculturalists’ intolerance of racism; rather they relate to Finland’s frequent less-than-desirable free speech policy.

My next point is that you imply that in journalism, particularly English language journalism in Finland, Finns have become victims to overly harsh criticism about their views on foreigners. The majority of journalism I have read – in English or Finnish – simply suggests that a fairly high percentage of foreigners feel somewhat unwelcome. Mr. Watson’s piece is but one variation of this. I don’t know whether Mr. Watson was right or wrong, but one thing I do know: Finland is growing more international in business and demographics, and therefore immigrants’ perspectives ought to be handled with care and consideration. Numerous articles (in both Finnish and English) point to substantial and growing tension between Finnish immigrants and native-born Finns. Therefore I feel a less reactionary approach is absolutely necessary. Best wishes, M


Tommy J2009-10-19 10:24:09
Well, Ed Dutton.

If foreigners come to Finland the least we can demand from them after living a few years here is to realize that they are in a Nordic European country and not an Arctic society or ... Greenland.


Bruno Garcia2009-11-08 00:38:55
I'm Brazilian, from a Spanish/German family, and I was very welcome in Finland. I was there for a month, and in January I'm going again, this time for three months. I met a lot of Finns, loved their culture and everything. By the way, I'm staying at my Finnish friends house which also enjoys multicultural environments. There are xenophobic people everywhere! I live in Florianópolis, Brazil, where a number of foreign people come every day. I always welcome foreigners, but I've heard complains about Brazilians been rude to them not just once.


just me2009-12-30 22:19:39
Eleftheria
Well, duh. If it's really hard for even native speaker to get a job, what the hell do you expect to happen with foreign people. Even more, most of the job situations require interaction with co-workers, in some form or another, and you must know by this stage that English is hardly universal language. ("older people" speak hardly any English at all) Considering all this, what do you expect to happen to the foreigner who doesn't speak the language? Give her a job just out of solidarity and let the business take the fall?

Not to mention, I find the claim ridiculous that she can't get bank account etc. Also, it would pay to try to apply for the job to multinational corporations, where they have more English day-to-day basis.


lostinlovewithoulu
Like someone already said, Finns don't even talk to, nor sit next to, each other so why are you taking this as a racism? You should at least know the native culture and try to adjust (if nothing else than just attitudes) on that, rather than just go by yourself and call people racists who clearly have no idea what you are yelling about.
Again, like someone said, when all the double-seats are taken (meaning there is someone sitting on either bench), there will still be people standing on the isles just because they want to be left alone. Granted, in Finnish society there is lower chance of someone sitting next to you (specially if you have darker skin color), but 9 times out of 10 this has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Again, which you should know: Know the culture. Personal space is very very important in Finnish culture and in the end people will most likely "pair up" with people whose personal space they feel, they would be less likely to invade.

Mike from Canada
Again, it would pay to know the culture. There is a saying that "In school you learn how to learn", meaning that the real learning for a profession starts when you actually land a job and start working. School is there just to get you to the very basic level, where you can start off. Even native graduates rarely get a job straight out from school, unless they got the connections from "work training" courses, which again, school is most useful to - getting yourself connected with the right people. What I'm trying to say that in here, work experience triumphs over school diploma seven days in a week, thus if you come to Finland with just your diploma in your hand, expect landing the cleaning job. Simple as that. Plus, not to mention the standard of education is quite high in Finland so if you're getting 50 applications in a day, the applications with no "know standard to Finns" get swiped aside pretty quickly. (ie. no-one wants to spend valuable time for trying to figure out the standards of the university this fellow graduated from) And add to the fact that fluent Finnish is practically mandatory for every job (since, surprise surprise, not everyone speaks English), and that Finnish is notoriously hard to learn for foreigners.

The getting beat up part again is not necessarily racist, though if the people doing the beating are wearing camo jackets, there regrettably it is just that. Violence, sadly, is part of Finnish culture time to time and I've seen things like this happen even to the most Finns out there. Every now and then things just get out of hand and bad things happen.

That said, I'm sure there is xenophobia in Finland. Hell, I've even witnessed it. EVERY COUNTRY OUT THERE HAS IT, there are always misfits who do stupid things.
There is also a special case as there might be reservations towards dark skinned guys, let me explain why: In early '90s there was a surge of refugees from Somalia to Finland. The work expectations being what they are, specially to non-Finnish speaking (next to none) many of them turned to crime, thus making the population vary of these "Somalians", and as we all know this "first expression" is very hard to change. I still find myself getting more aware of my surroundings when I'm in the vicinity of dark skinned people, specially around Helsinki. I don't want to, it just happens.

What this all boils down to is: Know the culture. If you're feeling unwelcomed and hated, just stop and think if, just if, there might be something to blame on your side too. Learn the culture and respect it. Even though you would think it as xenophobic you still have to respect it. The equivalent would be me going to Italy and telling everyone not to talk to nor touch me - respect my personal space. This wouldn't be fair to them since they have been living like this thousands of years. Guess what? So have Finns. When I'm in Italy I respect the culture, even though I tend to jolt a bit (and generally feel uneasy) when people grab me by the arm when talking to me.

Let me put it this way. If you go to a country, don't respect the culture and instead just start screaming xenophobia, then you sir, are an idiot.
Just because it's in Europe doesn't mean it's just like any other European country. In fact, Finland is probably one of the most unique ones as far as culture go.


John2010-01-12 00:53:55
Basically Oulu people are okay. I sometimes found some strange cases, but I think this may be the same as in other countries.


Esko2010-03-27 14:51:38
"Just me" I think you are wrong about your assumption that racism began with the immigrants from Somalia. In the 80s in Oulu the main pub in town would not let blacks in. The same owner then opened a bar called "lakupekka," which is a very racist term. Also in other parts of Finland public displays of racism (such as signs saying things like "no blacks allowed") were surprisingly common at least until the late 90s. And today Finns are definitely more intolerant and racist than other Western countries. I hate to admit it (I am Finnish), but it's true. Sure, racism is in every country. But it's worse in Finland, and what makes the problem even more troubling is that we Finns don't really address the issue.


Kwa2010-04-20 14:43:58
I like Mr.Watson’s three words "good bye Oulu". If you not willing to accept this culture say good bye and go. We have perfect equal services in Finland. No Beggars and No Ghettos. Let's accept til we say Good Bye Finland.


lostinlovewithoulu2010-05-24 13:45:20
I am a foreigner who pays a handsome amount of tax (i think the authorities are using it really well actually better than my own coutry so no regrets at all), follow all the rules, respects the Finnish culture, loves to eat Finnish food etc.etc. In short, I am trying to blend in. But, unfortunately, I cannot get a house loan myself as I am a foreigner (been here several years). I still need my Finnish wife to sign with me before bank gives me a cent. Even though I have had my bank account since the first day I came to work here in Oulu.

People are not welcoming but, they don't bother at least in face. Due to certain types of foreigners here who have reaped the benefits of the Finnish social care
most people think that
foreigner = living on social benefits + doing criminal activities.
The only office where I have always received a honest smile is the tax office here. They have always been nice to me and my family.
Job situation is not very good for anyone now so foreigners should not complain.
I have different approach to some ill treatments I donot not complain I intend to work harder and make life in this beautiful country.
Yes, I will remain a foreigner and my children will be so but, what the hell it is "don't care don't bother in Finland".
It will take several decades for Finns to appreciate the foreigner do have morality, intelligence and self-respect. But, by that time I belive Finland will have more foreigners and more problems as my Finnish friend says.

Finns will say if you donot like it here go back. Sorry, I have invested too much in terms professional and personal life in this country I cannot go back. Currently this is my country as I live here and I also do like it here. Just that I tasted few bad apple doesn't mean all apples are bad.


bla2010-06-29 01:55:42
"In fact, Finland is probably one of the most unique ones as far as culture go." = Why should Finnish culture be so unique compared to other EU countries?


Ghetto queen2010-07-09 00:11:44
I like reading these kind of stuff, they are just like comedies to me!!! cimeon people, life is how you make it, im an immigrant in this country by choice, i could go back to wherever i came from if i so wish. I could care less of who thinks what about me, i love my life, I have studied in Finland, i can communicate in Finnish with no problems cos i choose to learn the language too. I have a good job, some finnish work under me, i live a better life than most of them, im not bragging, i just want people to stop using their immigrant tittle and improve their lives rather than waiste your time minding who is a racist or who is not.I here these words alot when i passby "go back to your country" sometimesi just walk away, sometimes i saw the finger and continue with my life. Finland is a beutiful country to live in, i have "asunto laina", im a single lady, got so many friends internationally finns included nice colegues at work, i drive a nice car, cos i work soooo hard, i dont need to sit next to a drunk stupid person in a public transport. Life is how you make it, no matter where you are living. You dont like it here..go look for greener areas thats my 5 pence.


Mike2010-08-14 19:36:29
Finland? Well, it is a nice country, and Finns are good people (I lived there for a few years). If you visit Finland, I recommend sauna, hiking, and seeing some gigs. Finnish musicians and songwriters are now getting to be world class. I wouldn't recommend Finland as a place to immigrate -- especially if you are highly qualified or educated. Finns are very reluctant to hire foreign talent. Trust me, I've lived in many countries and Finns are probably the worst with regard to recognizing, recruiting, and utilizing foreign talent. This is probably the biggest downer to Finnish culture. Most countries view highly qualified foreigners as an asset, a way to learn new things. In fact, recognizing and using foreign talent is what has made America so successful in business and university education/research. Finland is a nice country, but not such a good destination for educated people. I now live in the UK...like the Americans, the Brits are pretty good at getting the best of foreign talent.


BB2011-04-25 20:57:47
Well, given that the nationalist True Finns won big in the recent elections, I think Mr. Dutton ought to rethink his argument. Most of the comments here seem to indicate that foreigners feel Finns are a bit xenophobic, and the recent election results totally support that.


BB2011-04-25 20:59:39
Oh, I forgot to add that the nationalist True Finns won big time in Oulu...so I guess that Nigel Watson dude was on to something.


random Karelian2011-06-22 22:29:53
It's becoming more and more socially acceptable to make foreign nationals feel unwelcome again. It's a depressing zeitgeist, more for the ones it's directed at but also for the majority of Finns who I would say are not xenophobic. Of course there might be legitimate reasons to limit immigration at some point but I don't think we are there yet. Finland has space to triple it's population and I for one welcome any good-willed person as my neighbor.


telodicoio2011-12-02 01:17:27
finland: a bunch of closed-minded hillbillies weirdos, in finnish and english.
after years i just can't trust them.



cecil henry2012-05-06 22:18:24
This intolerance is covert genocide of European peoples/

Follow the white rabbit people. See FTWR radio.


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