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Bilingual Illiterate: Finnish women vs. American women Bilingual Illiterate: Finnish women vs. American women
by Phil Schwarzmann
Issue 12
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Stereotyping an entire nation of women, then comparing them to the stereotypes of another nation is a pretty difficult and probably dangerous thing to do. But let’s give it a shot…

Let’s see, stereotypes of Finnish women…well, they’re strong, both physically and mentally. They’re quiet and generally reserved. They’re not religious but have a strong values and ethics (many Americans think you must be religious to have values and ethics). They’re practical and thrifty. They may take a while to get to know well, they’ll take things slow. They’re humble, honest and sincere. They have a high self-esteem, independent and don’t need to be told “I love you” ten time a day.

Stereotypes of American women - Hmmm…they too are strong. They’re more loud and outgoing. They’re more religious and the ones who aren’t religious are still surrounded by religious people and that rubs off on them. The words “practical” and “thrifty” aren’t often in an American girl’s vocabulary. They play mind games and hard-to-get and rarely say what they really mean. They have high self-confidence but can be very depedent and needy, saying “I love you” ten times a day isn’t enough.

What’s great about American girls is that they’ll let you know at dinner on the first date that they’re completely whack (the ones that are). They like to get that right out in the open so they don’t waste either of your time. …So they’re considerate. If they’ve tried to kill themselves or they’re take a lot of pills or they have a way-too-close relationship with their parents or they psycho or they list “taking naps” as one of their hobbies (always a warning signal for problems ahead) or they’re skinny and think they’re fat …they’ll let you know about this stuff during the appetizer.

The stereotypical American woman is NOT the woman you see on those stupid “reality” TV shows. I think way too many outsiders watch American TV and gather all their stereotypes about Americans from these shows. Finns might get embarrassed when an outsider sees Matti Nykänen but I cringe everytime I hear something like, “Today’s rose ceremony is probably the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make in my life.” …until next week’s rose ceremony.

Finnish couples seem to get serious way too early though - I remember this is one of the first big surprises when I moved to Finland. Couples moving in with each other at such a young age, that can’t be healthy overall for relationships. (Of course, I’m one to talk, my girlfriend and I moved in with each other after only being with each other for something like 28 days, but those 28 days were spread over a 10 month time frame)

It seems as if economic concerns were the biggest reasons why couples moved in together at such a young age and after knowing each other for such a short amount of time. It’s honestly way too difficult for a young person to support themselves independently in Finland. Unemployment is high amongst young people in Finland and cost of living is sky high. Couples move in for economic reasons rather than love for one another.

Finnish women have a low self-confidence but a high self-esteem while American women have just the opposite, a high self-confidence but low self-esteem. Finnish women tend to be strong on the inside but appear weak and kind fragile on the outside. American women are good at putting on this mask that they’re strong but on the inside it can be quite different.

But blah, these are all just stereotypes. Didn’t your mother teach you not to stereotype people?


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Finns2009-07-29 21:56:36
It is pretty accurate i would say, especially the part that Finnish women seem kind of vulnerable outside, but they are very level headed and strong in the inside.

They are also really humble about themselves, definitely no bragging, but still deepdown they respect themselves. Even a really pretty girl thinks she is just average and doesnt think highly of herself, but on the inside she still believes in her high worth as human being.


David2009-11-07 13:52:49
Doesn't sound true to me. My wife almost killed herself because I do not want to say " I love you ", while I have done everything beyond my limit for her.


donna2010-01-27 02:25:26
Why don't you want to say "I love you" to your wife? You are the one who is not normal, not your wife. EVERY woman wants to hear they are loved by their own men.


Elina2010-03-02 22:52:08
Honestly, I don't think high living expenses would be the reason why in Finland young couples tend to move into same apartment soon.

Young Finns, myself included want to get to know their partner better and spend more time with him/her. Therefore, keeping two apartments would be pointless. I do not know anyone who has justified moving in purely by economic reasons. If economic issues would be the main issue, it would not be very likely a love relationship.

When you love someone, you want to be together with him all the time and share home with him.

If you have stayed permanently in Finland, you would know that study support money transfers from KELA and other social security payments, part time work, loans etc. can cover living costs of young person easily and provide nice standard of living. A large share of students do not have to take loan at all, including myself even I have lived alone for 5 years and studied on university level.



Elina2010-03-02 23:09:21
Its jut that your writing really ridicules thousands of young Finnish people, who want to share each and everyday with their partner by living together by claiming that his decision is made economic benefit in mind.



Abot finns2010-03-14 22:20:42
It was a good point about the self-esteem vs self-confidence, many Finnish women are incredibly talented and could do anything, but might lack the confidence. So they should have more confidence than many others who boost it w-o substance. I wonder why? In Finland i guess no one is allowed to stand out.


J2010-05-25 18:33:44
My Girlfrienis Finnish and she drinks way too much beer for a woman


Marcia2010-06-22 09:42:12
You just have to understand cultures. Different cultures have different norms, values, needs, standards, etc. Not to mention the aspects at an individual level. Who says that one culture has to conform to another? When it comes to accepting others, you accept them for who they are. Yes,
Finns and Americans are different they also have a different history and background, hence they like and might expect different things.
We just have to learn how to see and accept that others are different than us, and there is nothing wrong with it.
By the way, my husband is a Finn and we get along extremely well.


gabriel2010-08-21 15:46:42
actually i have another point of view,,that is the Finnish woman is perfect to show to others self confidence and esteem..but in real she is very very weak and got depressed so fast ! this a secret i have been told by my ex-finnish wife!


gabriel2010-08-21 15:59:56
and from my long experience with Finns here and in my country before too,,i gonna say to you guys that the Finns woman can´t never stand the independent man ! its like when you put to monster in the same cage ! in little words she wanted the man to be ( Tossun Alla) like they say!! independent man or that strong one is not working ..believe me !


Mary Mekko2010-09-11 22:37:26
I was surprised as an American woman how traditional the Finnish home life still is,how the women do all the work and the men read papers, watch TV, and wait for food to appear. My highly-educated Finnish girlfriend came to visit me in California, staying with various people, and all she ever did was cook and clean for the men. The American men, for whom she was guest and not a maid/cook, were astounded, and even tried to stop her, telling her to go out and enjoy San Francisco, forget cleaning the floor and making cakes. PErhaps she was an exception, but she was convinced that domestic serfdom was her mealticket to an American husband, not her looks or clothes. She got a Swede in the end, who was a total jerk,and she finally got up the nerve to leave him and go back to her apartment (parents' gift) in Helsinki, to go on welfare to raise the kid alone. So she's "independent" and "Educated" but hardly ever did a day's work in her life except housework! Is THAT typical Finnish?


micaela2010-09-25 19:11:13
Its true that finnish woman still shows traditionally her love to her man by e.g. cooking and sort of "mothering" her man. Also, on the outside they may seem very strong/independent, but in the inside they still want to be taken care by their men. To nurture and look after your girlriend (not suffocating, but showing you care with ACTIONS) will melt her heart, even is she dont want to admit it :)Finnish women are basicaly mixture of modern woman yet very strong traditional underpinnings.


smiley2010-10-21 01:50:55
Finnish girls make the best girfriends ever.


How finnish men show they2010-12-02 02:30:55
I have lived in USA for several years with my finnish husband, which is a such good father and husband. Well, my husband has only said I love you once and it was in our wedding day :) We have been married for 18 years. I wouldn't mind if I could this magic sentence a bit more often, but our love is so deep that we know that we love each other. You can show your love and respect to each other in many other ways.


hgfsare2011-01-20 08:31:20
Pretty accurate.


Jonny2011-01-28 21:20:05
American women are lame and whiney.

Finnish women are strong and educated but drink too much.

Both are better than English women, who are crazy and slutty on the sly


farzan2011-06-16 17:43:24
love


Finnish born Australian w2011-09-22 08:53:13
Maybe its because I'm more Australian than Finnish, but I can't relate to many of the observations here. In my experince, Finnish women ( and apart from my family I have many Finnish friends here) are "no-nonsense", "roll your sleeves up and get on with it types". They kept that little country going during WW2 when the nation suffered tremendously under the hands of both the Germans and Russians. They say it just as they see it - you won't get much beati8ng around the bush. The generation born in the 60's are unlikely to be door-mats or molly-coddle their men folk. And, just an aside to the blogger called Mary Mekko, sitting on welfare flies in the face of being "independent". At least in Australia, the Finnish women I know work very hard ( both at home - neat freaks- and at paying jobs)and live within their means. ( a foreign concept to younger people almost universally)


Greg2011-12-07 17:11:16
You mentioned Finnish women having low confidence.I fao see this.I am a British Expat and have lived in Finland for 23 years,the Finnish men can be seen lo lack confidence.The women know what they want and know how to get it with out screaming.
Much prefer to be in a DFinnish women`s company than a shouting ,crying Brit lady
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@ Donna2011-12-29 07:01:01
"donna 2010-01-27 02:25:26
Why don't you want to say "I love you" to your wife? You are the one who is not normal, not your wife. EVERY woman wants to hear they are loved by their own men."

We rest our case, Finnish women it is!!!


American 2012-01-23 05:38:47
I think you are incredibly arrogant and insulting to BOTH cultures. As if any woman needs to fit your pathetic and paltry standards. You're probably an American who couldn't manage to date a normal American female based on your ridiculous examples, and then had better luck playing the expat novelty card. How original. Women are women and they should be valued not because what they offer you but because who they are. They will be better as wives and mothers if they value themselves regardless of what hateful people like you think.


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Lara2012-09-03 00:49:29
Mary Mekko mentioned that her friend didn't do a day for work even thought she was educated.

For my respond to that: Finnish women aren't like that.
The normal finnish women is a woman who works fulltime job, take cares of kids, cooks, cleans and does about everything in the house.

Thought the housework section is starting to go to the mens side too, gladly!

I have to say that i haven't ever met finnish women who haven't worked a day and is living off with her partners money.
Plus to that i have lived my whole life in Finland, so i assure you, there is very very little amount of eel like women in finnish women.


finnish girl2014-02-10 17:35:43
My parents never dated before, dated for a bit, moved in, and still happy today. they moved in together because they loved each other, no other reasons.


Liisa2018-03-09 21:20:32
Lara, you are ridiculous considering a member of an unit (A married couple) as "living off her PARTNERS money".
If the couple decides that it would be better for the woman to stay home, then that's their decision as a unit.
Some Finnish women don't like this new idea of letting the government raise our children!
“The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career. ”

― C.S. Lewis

The younger generation of men are worried about the state of Europe right now, and I've heard that many want to adopt the more child friendly, one parent at home system.

Finnish birthrates are the lowest they have been since the starvation years. It has to change!


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