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What is Beauty? Musings on Kant's Theory of Aesthetics What is Beauty? Musings on Kant's Theory of Aesthetics
by Prof.Emanuel L. Paparella
2008-10-20 08:42:39
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Having briefly surveyed Aristotle’s theory of art vis-a-vis Plato as art as cognition asking the question What is Beauty, let us now skip some two thousand years to another giant of philosophy whose theory of aesthetic has had an enormous influence on the modern conception of art: Immanuel Kant (1724-1804). He never subscribed to the fallacious theory of the struggle between the ancients and the moderns; that what historically arrives at the end is always superior to what precedes it. On the contrary he was cognizant that in philosophy which is an ongoing perennial dialogue one rejects nothing, one builds on the solid foundations laid out by our predecessors at the risk of re-inventing the wheel.

He set out his theory in the third of his famous Critiques: The Critique of Judgment. It is there that one finds for the first time the term aesthetic as applied to the philosophy of art. His wide-ranging discussion of art under the rubric of aesthetic judgment continues to be debated today and one can safely assert that, just as Plato’s and Aristotle’s theories will continue to be debated for a very long time to come.

The theory is complex because it attempts to solve a variety of puzzles, foremost among those the Humian question: in what sense can judgment of artistic merit, which at first glance appear to derive from our subjective feelings (beauty as being in the eye of the beholder, as the conventional wisdom would suggest), can be considered objective and factual? That is indeed the crucial question which Kant attempts to answer.

In surveying the theory one needs to begin where Kant begins, with the understanding of aesthetic judgment, which he takes to apply to nature in the first instance. For Kant, a judgment about a beautiful sunset is a peculiar kind of judgment. In the first place, we need to understand that for Kant the term “judgment” refers to all acts of mental cognition; thus thinking for him is equivalent to making judgments. Consequently to conclude that something is beautiful does not enhance our understanding of it as would a mere empirical judgment, that the setting sun has reddened the clouds. Rather we seem to be saying something about how our perception of it affects us.

When I call the sunset beautiful, I refer to feelings the sunset produces in me, even though I express this in a judgment that attributes an apparently objective property—beauty—to it. So the question for both Kant and Hume is this: how a judgment about our feelings can have an objective validity. When I say the sunset is beautiful I seem to be saying more than that it appeals to me, claiming also that the sunset’s beauty is there for all to see.

So, how does Kant resolve the dilemma? He goes beyond Hume who had based the objectivity of judgments of taste on the presumed empirical truth that certain qualities of objects tend to produce pleasure in all human beings. Kant is aware that this will not justify our belief that attributions of beauty to objects have normative force, that is to say, that when I say something is beautiful, I not only believe you will agree, but I also think that, in some sense, you should agree.

Which begs the question: how does Kant justify the objective validity of aesthetic judgments? Simply by claiming that the feeling of pleasure conceptualized in such judgments is of a very specific sort. Unlike the feeling of pleasure consumed by consuming an ice cream cone, the feeling of beauty incident on the perception of a beautiful object does not arise from the satisfaction of a particular interest or desire. Rather, it is a disinterested pleasure derived from the mere contemplation of the object that induces it.

The source of this pleasure, according to Kant, is in those features of the object uniquely suited to my perception. In Kantian terms, the form of a beautiful object causes the imagination (that is to say, the mental faculty that allows me to apprehend any object) and the understanding (that is to say, the faculty of conceptualization) to coincide in a special sort of harmony: it is as if the object were produced in order for it to be perceived by me. It is this free play of the faculties that produces a pleasurable feeling of the sort that gives rise to the judgment that the object is beautiful. For this reason, we see beautiful objects as purposive, but without their fulfilling any actual purpose.

This account by Kant solves the problem of the objective validity of aesthetic judgments by claiming that the pleasure produced by beautiful things is such that any being equipped with the perceptual and cognitive faculties human being possess would experience this pleasure. The attribution of beauty to an object is objectively valid in that it posits a subjective state that all human beings are capable of experiencing. Unlike Hume’s solution, the universality of our susceptibility to aesthetic pleasure does not depend on an empirical generalization that admits of many exceptions; rather, it depends only on the most general structure of the human mind. Nevertheless, aesthetic judgments do not meet the rigorous standards for empirical knowledge set forth by Kant in The Critique of Pure Reason.

Another important detail of Kant’s theory of natural beauty is the distinction he makes between the beautiful and the sublime in our aesthetic response to nature. The sublime has within it the terrifying, the awe inspiring and the dangerous in nature which nevertheless remains poetical and therefore sublime.

Once we move to art proper Kant proceeds to distinguish it from various other branches of human activity, always stressing that “art” proper always refers to human activity freely undertaken. He calls it fine art. It is a species of aesthetic art that attempts to produce pleasure through the form of its objects. So Kant defines “art” by reference to his theory of aesthetic judgment. Art objects are those created to produce aesthetic pleasure by virtue of their form.

In The Critique of Judgment Kant argues that art must seem to us like a natural product. This claim is important because it grounds in a naturalistic standard the judgment of works of art. Thus, according to Kant, noticing that a work of fine art was consciously produced to give us pleasure detracts from the work’s ability to produce that pleasure. Only those art objects that both reveal and conceal their nature as artifacts will produce in us a genuine aesthetic response.

This aspect of Kant’s philosophy exhibits an intriguing tension with his claim that art can express ideas. Aristotle had also expressed the cognitive function of art as expressing ideas and therefore sister to philosophy. This claim is developed fully by Schopenhauer. Actually, what Kant calls “ideas” are concepts which cannot be fully encountered in experience. Although there are perfectly valid examples of empirical concepts, such as “chair,” within our experience, ideas such as beauty can never, according to Kant, be adequately instanced in the course of our daily lives. It is only art, with its ability to go beyond the quotidian that provides us with sensory analogues of ideas. What Kant seems to be suggesting here is that art worthy of that name is always pointing beyond itself, to the transcendent; it is a sort of metaphor of the beyond, an “intimation of immortality” so to speak.

Another important aspect of Kant’s theory is its insistence that fine art has no rules; for it did it would be knowledge. But if there are no rules how can it be made? By geniuses who seem to have a natural ability to create objects that produce aesthetic pleasure in us. This account of genius became very much in vogue in the Romantic period in the 19th century.

In judging a work of art, Kant insists we ought to also judge its perfection, not just its beauty. He defines perfection as the harmony between its sensory features and its purpose. This aspect of the theory echoes Aristotle deontological theory in his “Poetics.” In fact, like Aristotle, Kant holds that we can judge as beautiful in art things we would find repellent in nature such as war or disease. There is however an emotion which cannot be redeemed in art and it is disgust. Probably Sartre would disagree with that if one were to judge from his famous “No Exit.” Be that as it may, there are undoubtedly elements of this theory which seem problematic today, such as the endorsement of naturalism or the emphasis on form as the only aesthetically relevant feature of artworks. Nevertheless, Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé.


    
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Sand2008-10-20 13:44:49
Quote: "Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé."

What a neat elitist way to contemptuously attempt to destroy all possible critical analysis.


AP2008-10-20 17:14:54
"in philosophy which is an ongoing perennial dialogue one rejects nothing, one builds on the solid foundations laid out by our predecessors at the risk of re-inventing the wheel."
You mean, like the Founding Fathers re-invented, according to you?

"Another important aspect of Kant’s theory is its insistence that fine art has no rules; for it did it would be knowledge. But if there are no rules how can it be made? By geniuses who seem to have a natural ability to create objects that produce aesthetic pleasure in us. This account of genius became very much in vogue in the Romantic period in the 19th century."
And it is in fact a Romantic idea :) An alternative would be that it can be done by people who work much and are curious enough to keep studying and researching by their own, as the search for aesthetic pleasure is something common to many human beings - if not an innate trait, really.

"The attribution of beauty to an object is objectively valid in that it posits a subjective state that all human beings are capable of experiencing."
Not really. Hume was right in his exceptions.

"Art objects are those created to produce aesthetic pleasure by virtue of their form."
Form, colour, texture, density, light, fragmentation, composition, conceptual nature, etc, etc, etc...
Some don't produce aesthetic pleasure, some just shock you or surprise you or make you think. Art evolved since Kant... and quite much. I mean, in profound and very, very important ways.

"noticing that a work of fine art was consciously produced to give us pleasure detracts from the work’s ability to produce that pleasure"
Not only many works of art are not produced to give pleasure, as they actually don't produce it. :)


AP2008-10-20 17:20:11
The search for aesthetic pleasure is general, where you get by searching it is not. And art is not equivalent to "production of beauty" at all. Just think about how many contemporary artistic disciplines didn't even exist when Kant thought about art!!


AP2008-10-20 17:22:02
You know, if art was so easy to define, we wouldn't do it.


AP2008-10-20 17:31:23
Why do we write, paint, design, play, act, film, sculpt, take photos?
Nothing is as strong as an understanding tool, nor as bright. It's individual or collective creative expression, but it's freedom anyway. One of the few things in which we can be deeply free - and in an amusing way! I know nothing as complete.
Incredible that Kant didn't notice the very important role of sense of humour in art, don't you think? Not really. But it is just an example of a very important thing that Kant missed, and it has to do with the type of art he had access to in his time.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-20 22:59:31
Quote: "Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé."

What a neat elitist way to contemptuously attempt to destroy all possible critical analysis.

Were Kant to read such a passage, he would probably aks: is that the whole quote or is it taken out of context to make a point?

Answer: no, it is taken out of context.

--Ah, can I see the context
--here is the contex:

"...there are undoubtedly elements of this theory which seem problematic today, such as the endorsement of naturalism or the emphasis on form as the only aesthetically relevant feature of artworks. Nevertheless, Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé."

--Ah, I thought so, this is a sophist trying to win an argument not a philosopher attempting to get at truth.











AP2008-10-21 00:15:38
This gets funnier and funnier :)


AP2008-10-21 00:19:39
So your voices are Kant and Aristotle, Mr. P.? Dante might be one of them too. What does Seneca say to all this?


Sand2008-10-21 03:43:25
This statement "Nevertheless, Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé." is the summary of your presentation. It is that summary which is the whole point of your thought and there is nothing whatsoever sophistic in criticizing that statement. Evidently you haven't any idea of what sophism is about. For a philosopher, that's a real problem.


Sand2008-10-21 05:51:18
Insofar as the statement itself is concerned rather than your indication that anyone criticizing it is intellectually inferior, your presumption that Kant's evaluation was originally valid but might be considered obsolete in today's world by "philistines" is unacceptable since it was never valid under any circumstances. As AP has pointed out, the concept that "geniuses" work with no rules is totally idiotic. No artist of any perception operates in total chaos. Art itself is an exploration of innovative disciplines and anyone who conceives that any competent professional, artistic or otherwise, is totally erratic or operates beyond human concepts, frankly, has no understanding of the nature of artistic pursuits.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 08:38:27
The perceptive reader will of course notice that you begin the sentence not with "Nevertheless" which is conveniently left out to better leave the impression that no critical analysis whatsoever of Kant's aesthetic theory has been offered in the article. Obviously, rather than a critique issuing out of understanding of Kant's theory, the purpose of that pathetic one liner was to cast aspersion on the whole article. Clever but not very intelligent, I am afaid. One has to suspect that had Kant himself written an article that disagrees with your gratuitous and shallow assumption, there would have been some shabby aspersions for him too. Here again the perceptive reader can see for himself that before there can be a valid critcal analysis there must be a thorough understanding of that is being critiqued.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 08:47:30
Having called some of Aristotle's and Kant's writing totally idiotic, shall we gather for the big bonfire and consign philosophy as such to it, an an anachronism of which we today can do without? Sine we can noe expect that the visiting voices will suggest that you take this statement and place it in my mouth out of context, tell them that it is ironic; not that they much care about the truth, if they are even able to conceive of it.


Sand2008-10-21 08:51:33
Since the quotation clearly starts with your "Nevertheless" I wonder what strange ocular or mental blindness permits you to claim it is not there. The rest of your comment is a mere collection of disparaging insults that have no relevance whatsoever to my pointing out very valid misconceptions in Kant's view of art and your seeming total acceptance of it. Nothing, apparently, can set whatever machinery of sense remains in your mind into motion. I can only presume it is non-existent.


Sand2008-10-21 08:54:40
Now, now, Paparella, your persistent pyromaniac inclinations towards literature may warm the cockles of your heart but it is totally unseeming in these days of global warming.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 09:48:59
Sand 2008-10-21 08:51:33
Since the quotation clearly starts with your "Nevertheless" I wonder what strange ocular or mental blindness permits you to claim it is not there. The rest of your comment is a mere collection of disparaging insults that have no relevance whatsoever to my pointing out very valid misconceptions in Kant's view of art and your seeming total acceptance of it. Nothing, apparently, can set whatever machinery of sense remains in your mind into motion. I can only presume it is non-existent.

ANSWER:

Sand 2008-10-20 13:44:49
Quote: "Kant’s theory of aesthetic remains insightful and influential and only a cultural philistine would dare to declare it passé."

What a neat elitist way to contemptuously attempt to destroy all possible critical analysis.

AH, THE WONDERS OF SOPHISTRY AND INTELLECTUAL DECEPTION.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 09:58:57
Now, now Mr. S., as far as the metaphor of the bonfire is concerned, let us not be so disengenuous and dumb: you know exactly to what it refers to; it refers to the astonishing cultural philistinism that presumes to take on Kand and Aristotle without a modicum of understanding of their writings. In one hundred years, Aristotle and Kant will continue to be read. Mr. Sand, their detractors, will simply be "Mr. Who?"


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 10:00:11
Errata above: Kand ought to be Kant.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 10:31:42
Within a philosophical discourse, to place an ironic statement in the mouth of the one who proferred it can only mean thre things:

1. one does not understand what irony is all about.

2. one is attempting to be disengenuous in order to turn the table on the one who proffered the ironic statement not to one's liking

3. One is at the level of five year old.

So it is a matter of stupidity, or villany, or juvenile intellectual immaturity; or perhaps all three.



Sand2008-10-21 11:17:33
Aside from the fact that the "Nevertheless" had no significance at all insofar as my comment was concerned since the word merely re-enforced your acceptance of Kant's point of view, see the subsequent post 2008-10-21 08-51-33 which clearly included the "Nevertheless" and which should have been obvious to your inspection. The criticism is valid and still stands.

Since you seem to object to my not accepting your book burning metaphor as such I wonder why you play the total twit and persist in my accepting your metaphor and throwing it back in your face.
Incidentally it is obvious that you are implying I am somehow sympathetic with your Nazi PhD friends or your Catholic buddies who actually did sponsor book burning, something I never have. It is obviously a very nasty underhanded accusation straight out of Karl Rove or Senator McCarthy, another slimy Catholic.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 16:15:21
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
--Albert Einstein


Sand2008-10-21 16:57:09
Repeatedly:
Claiming to stand on the shoulders of giants.

Speaking about re-inventing the wheel.

Referring to the naked emperor.

Inferring that internal dialogues implies schizophrenic voices.

Mentioning that something is too clever by half.

Consigning literature to a bonfire if it is subject to criticism.

Yes, Einstein had you down cold.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 21:25:44
Indeed, Einstein must have met many an obsessive authoritarian bully personality with “voices in their head” who repeatedly:

--claimed that the ancients were passé and only what is modern is valid
--bashed and slandered religion in general and Christianity and Catholicism in particular
--placed ironic statements in the mouth of those who proffered them in a devious attempt to turn the table around
--confused philosophical arguments based on reason for insults at hominem
--resorted to sophistry and caricatures as evidence (the naked emperor phenomenon)
--reinvented the wheel and called the giants of philosophy idiots
--considered themselves “enlightened” because they stood on their own shoulders
--showed consistent contempt for the rigor of scholarship and academic discipline
--projected the misguided “voices in their head”
--ignored the important points of others’ contributions to focus on trivialities and banalities
--expressed themselves with a foul-mouth and vituperations.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-21 21:29:05
P.S. If you and your obsessive voices in your head have merely learned what you elencate from the one hundred or so contributions I have offered to Ovi magazine, what does it say about their intelligence and integrity? Indeed the Emperor is naked and it would behoove him to declare its true agenda in this forum.


AP2008-10-22 02:42:44
I think that the worst sin among the above mentioned is
showing "consistent contempt for the rigor of scholarship and academic discipline".


Sand2008-10-22 04:21:32
It's quite obvious, Paparella, that any master of a junkyard full of corroded and useless intellectual discards you are anxious to run an oily rag over a broken antique to attempt to bestow a bit of glossy finish to a piece that has long been outmoded. You have spent your life accumulating formerly respected nonsense and with a greasy smile and a fund of old idiocies are desperate to sell these pieces and hide their jagged edges and rotted interiors. No religion (and especially Catholicism) has committed any horrors according to you although the crimes filled with blood and torture scream throughout history. Your hundreds of bundled and distorted quotations from ignorant and silly thinkers with obsolete ideals based on alien cultures are an amusing freak show but indicate, at best, the earnest attempts of people who knew little of the realities valid searchers have uncovered with modern tools. Your dusty junk is mostly useless and has value only for amusement.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-22 09:08:28
Quite obvious, especially if those voices in your head told you so...; as I said, it's not an easy task to teach an old dog new tricks.


Sand2008-10-22 15:56:10
Aah, if only you knew a few! But so far your bag of tricks are all ancient and petrified


Sand2008-10-22 20:04:52
You presented 11 objections to my discourse. I will examine them individually. It is convenient of you to have gathered all your distortions and misconceptions in one place for discussion.
You say that I:

1.--claimed that the ancients were passé and only what is modern is valid

Actually that is your distorted claim about me. What I said is that the ancients had a culture and ideals very different from ours, were almost totally ignorant of many of the basic known and validated facts of the universe and neglected in many instances to do the most elementary observations to confirm their speculations about basic dynamic physical forces. Although their speculations on the nature of matter and how it interacted had some vague reflection on how modern observation confirmed or denied scientific understandings, they had neither the methods nor the tools to do a proper job in the area and their basic attitude of contempt for simple physical research out of their system of slavery and lower class workmen who did the actual handling of materials indicated that actually working with physical materials was considered beneath their elitist views and thereby they hobbled themselves from discovering simple realities.
This broaches on your general attitude of total gullible awe towards ancient philosophers and authority in general and is something I find particularly distasteful. No idea, whatever its source, is beyond close examination and valid criticism.

2.--bashed and slandered religion in general and Christianity and Catholicism in particular.

This comment is quite revealing as to your prejudices involving religion. To claim, as you repeatedly do, that religion is totally innocent of any of the vicious brutality that has been historically validated many times and is repeatedly demonstrated by fanatics into current events and that indicating this is “bashing” is a frightful distortion in one who claims any respect as a historian. Your claim that the Crusades with their thievery, rapes, brutality and butchery were not religiously inspired is beyond stupidity, it is psychopathic. There is no “bashing” necessary to lay out the Catholic expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492, to indicate that the religious sequestration of Jews in ghettos throughout centuries and allocating them to be dealers in money where they were forbidden other occupations by Catholic administrations. The religious brutalities of the Inquisition by Catholic authorities cannot be denied. That Jews were continuously labeled as “Christ killers” during and well after this period is accepted history and there is no doubt that their sentiments contributed to the Nazi persecutions. It is recorded history that the Vatican enabled post WWII Nazis to escape to South America. This is not religious bashing; it is history that you repeatedly deny.



Sand2008-10-22 20:06:35
3.--placed ironic statements in the mouth of those who proffered them in a devious attempt to turn the table around

This seems to be your objection to my reference to your accusations of book burning. It always arises when I question the good sense of one of your authorities and is, of course, your hysterical suggestion that I am requesting all the writings of that authority in question be consigned to the fire. It somehow intimates that your authority is totally tainted by my disagreeing with him or her and the authority is thereby deemed worthless. No doubt it is a very forceful suggestion, metaphorical or otherwise and the memory of the Nazi book burnings and those of the Catholic Savonarola are extremely distasteful. And, although I have never advocated any literature to be burned or censored (in contradistinction to your beloved Catholic authorities) you insist, in the best Senator McCarthy tradition, in associating me with those uncivil procedures. Claiming that you are speaking metaphorically does nothing to remove your base and nasty intent.

4.--confused philosophical arguments based on reason for insults at hominem

You delight in accusing me and others of attacking you personally rather than merely demonstrating the falsity of your arguments and yet you repeatedly attack me personally with your intimations that natural internal dialogue is somehow evidence of insanity. Of course I reply in kind. But beyond that so many of your proposals are so totally without intelligence or even moderate consideration that you cannot divorce yourself from what you write as if your writings had no connection to the mind that presented it.

5.--resorted to sophistry and caricatures as evidence (the naked emperor phenomenon)

The “naked emperor phenomenon” as you put it was something you brought into our discourse and used repeatedly to propose my lack of substance. Here you accuse me of using the analogy. I never have. Are you that forgetful?

6.--reinvented the wheel and called the giants of philosophy idiots

“Reinventing the wheel” is another one of your tired and over used clichés to indicate I am repeating a commonplace. Nothing wrong in that if it is appropriate.
When somebody – anybody from your most admired ancients to any damn fool you adulate upon whom you choose to confer the title of “giant” – says or writes something that is obviously idiotic I will openly declare it as such. Again, nothing at all wrong in that.



Sand2008-10-22 20:09:11
7.--considered themselves “enlightened” because they stood on their own shoulders

I don’t know if that would be considered “enlightened” as the statement seems quite weird. No doubt they would be acrobatic.

8.--showed consistent contempt for the rigor of scholarship and academic discipline

If you are referring to your own contributions, I have yet to discover anything in them exhibiting anything except extreme distortions to support your personal agenda. Scholastic rigor and academic discipline would certainly be a novel improvement and I look forward to it but your past behavior indicates it is beyond your capability.

9.--projected the misguided “voices in their head”

This is one of your favorite disparagements of me. When I confessed in a submission that I carry on a continuous internal dialogue you immediately characterized this as some form of schizophrenia. Since every thinking person experiences this in the normal analytical process I find it extremely odd you seem to think it is unusual. So either you are incapable of normally analyzing ideas or you are using this as a sophist ploy. Shame on you!

10.--ignored the important points of others’ contributions to focus on trivialities and banalities

Since we both pass over each other’s points at times I’m afraid this is normal in ordinary discourse. And being picky in spelling and grammar can at times provide a bit of fun. That a proudly proclaimed PhD doesn’t know how to use a spellcheck in word processing or makes obvious grammatical mistakes is amusing. Mentioning it explodes a bit of pomposity. Of course I make mistakes too but I make no academic claims.

11.--expressed themselves with a foul-mouth and vituperations.

Now you’ve hit something interesting. I thoroughly enjoy foul language as it is occasionally the most forceful way to express an opinion. That you find it objectionable makes it all the more enjoyable to me. Of course, if it is used continuously it loses a good deal of its intensity so it is a treasure, like a useful hand grenade, that requires appropriate circumstances. American sensitivities in the matter merely bestow the power to such language to a larger degree. That’s why it’s so popular with children who love to shock their elders. But, after all, how silly can you get for objecting to such language? To pull its teeth all you have to do is make it commonplace. The stage, screen, and the military fling the terms around continuously and their maturity renders them totally harmless.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 00:29:44
Surely you must feel better now that you got it off your chest as the invitation to comments suggests, but alas, what we have here is simply a self-serving and self-excusing diatribe. It would have been much more credible had you found a modicum of objectivity and honesty that would in the first place fess up to the real less than honorable and egregious motives for the aspersions and insults parading as sweet reason, which are obvious to any reader in any case, and then attempt to look at the what is charged with an open mind. For shame.


Sand2008-10-23 03:16:19
For you to mention self serving as something unworthy is one of the most amusing comments you have put out. You are obviously totally blind as to the intent of your comments. Too bad you have no sense of humor at all.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 12:49:56
Indeed, particularly amusing within the Punch and Judy circus are your obsessive rants against religion and what you put in my mouth about it which surely must be what the voices have suggested and you have promptly and obediently repeated.

I have said it more than once but obviously there is no listening, never mind any kind of reflection. But, for whatever it is worth, let me repeat it once again here: your bias and bashing of Catholicism is not only partial but reprehensible because it claims to tell the whole truth about the Catholic Church when in reality it reveals not only prejudice but the burden of an abysmal ignorance about it. When you are ready to inform yourself better and stop peddling shallow and juvenile caricatures, then a dialogue may ensue. Till then your egregious and shabby cleverness by half needs to be exposed for that it is, mere slander and aspersion parading as progressivism and activism for the truth. But the emperor remains naked.


Sand2008-10-23 14:04:03
And when you are ready to break out of your mental cage which stultifies your thinking to constructing eclectic collages of a few obsolete authorities perhaps we can have a real conversation. Snowballs in Hell first.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 15:21:57
I thought so!


Sand2008-10-23 15:35:02
I doubt that!


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 20:43:09
Indeed, there is a form of ignorance which is invincible. It has more to do with the will than with the pure intellect as Kant and James have well taught us trying to unburden those who would reinvent the wheel rather than learn from them. But one cannot despair, for to do is to give up teaching of any kind. Once in a great while even those who would reinvent the wheel and consider anything past passè may actually get curious, pick up the works of those vilified “authorities,” and lo and behold discover that they had been standing on their shoulders all the while egregiously and unfairly usurping their authority for themselves. That is why we keep schools open and do not burn books that are thousands of years old, in fact we treasure them against the advice of the cultural philistines of our times. For example, any moderately educated person who has not an ax to grind against Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular, knows that had it not been for the patient and painstaking preservation of ancient manuscript by monks of the Catholic Church the barbarians (the cultural philistines of old) would have destroyed most of Graeco-Roman civilization and there would have been no Renaissance and the new barbarian of the intellect, such as Mr. S., would have been running in the woods of Finland defecating and mating in the open, hunting deer, and returning to his cave to warm himself with the burning of ancient manuscripts. That happened once and it was a physical barbarism. What we have today, is the barbarism of the intellect, able and capable, as already proven sixty or so years ago, “educated” men who will plan an Holocaust in less than two hours and execute it in less than three years. That makes the barbarism of old look like a picnic in comparison. For shame.


Sand2008-10-23 20:58:48
I see, Mr.P. you are back to your old slimy ways again. You are the one who would consign literature to the fire and blame me. As I said, there would be snowballs in Hell before you behaved with decent truthful civility. Sure enough you confirmed my surmise.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 21:20:02
It must be so if the obsessive voices cofirmed it, but perhaps you should greet them with a doubt once in a while. They may be lying to you and getting you deeper and deeper in a whole of self-deception in a dark cave lit by a feeble fire and mistaken for the sun.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 21:23:52
Errata above: "whole" should be hole.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-23 21:26:41
Had you actually read the Divine Comedy you would know that in the deepest part of Dente's hell there is no fire but ice, hence snow is conceivable there. Sorry, if that throws confusion in your neatly compertamentalized pigeon-holed world...


Sand2008-10-24 06:12:48
The snowball in Hell metaphor is so universal I made the terrible mistake that you would understand it but, as usual, your profound stupidity is revealed again. Go back to your childish fantasies, idiot.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-24 13:50:53
Is that what the visiting voices in your head have suggested? They may be projecting their idiocy on you. You ought to try getting out of the box of rationalism and forget the visiting voices.


Emanuel Paparella2008-10-25 05:35:25
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/hunger_for_beauty/

The reader interested in a great meditation on beauty may wish to peruse the above linked article titled "Hunger for Beauty" by Alice Ramos, a contemporary philosopher, as it appeared recently in Global Spiral.


Sand2008-10-26 05:32:09
And a reader interested in understanding the motives and methods of art will certainly examine carefully Paparella's total lack of insight and general knowledge of the current scene and come to his own conclusions on the matter.


AP2008-10-26 16:29:59
"Thomas Aquinas in his wisdom saw clearly that the human person cannot do without delight and that when the person is deprived of spiritual joys then carnal delight will take their place." -- Alice Ramos

Are they mutually exclusive or successfully interacting?
There's the contemporary attempt to suppress carnal delights again. Amazing how this continues to be done/said. Carnal delight has a place of its own in our mind, it doesn't need to take the place of spiritual joys.


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